Motocross park at old quarry site draws neighbors’ ire and town’s fire
TIVERTON — A major land use and zoning battle is shaping up in town. On one side are hundreds of dirt bikers and all-terrain vehicle (ATV) enthusiasts, who are flocking to a “motocross park” at an old quarry near 691 Brayton Road, and the quarry’s owner.
On the other are several dozen nearby residents whose neighborhood is zoned R-80 for residential use, and the Town of Tiverton.
The neighbors have filed a petition with the town, which was on the Town Council agenda Monday night and was referred, without action, to the zoning official and the town solicitor — “not a council matter,” said Donald Bollin, town council president, before the meeting began.
Upping the ante, Town Administrator James C. Goncalo confirmed Monday that the town would soon go to court to seek an injunction against motocross activities at the quarry.
The court action follows two notices of zoning violations issued by town zoning official Gareth Eames (on Sept. 28 and Oct. 19) to Raymond E. Johnson, the quarry owner, charging him with operating a motocross business and with operating a campground on the property in violation of the zoning standards that apply in an R-80 residential area.
Each day a violation continues constitutes a separate offense with possible fines of up to $500 per day for each violation.
So far, at least, Mr. Johnson gives little evidence of suspending motocross activities at the quarry tracks he is building. Last weekend, an estimated 200 dirt bikers and quad operators (four-wheeled all-terrain vehicles) motored over the tracks, most paying what Mr. Johnson calls a $20 to $25 “donation” at the entrance gate.
In the beginning
Motocross activity started there in earnest last July.
Mr. Johnson, facing what he says is a declining quarry business and a need “to reclaim the property,” is building what he has named “MX 691” and has created a website by that name.
The website calls the quarry“Rhode Island’s exclusive off-road riding park.” It’s all “part of an exit strategy from the quarrying operation,” Mr. Johnson said.
Mr. Johnson said that he’s building a “motocross park,” with three racing tracks, seating, and appropriate facilities, and that “parks” are permissible in R-80 zones. He said he intends to seek a variance from Tiveton’s zoning ordinance.
Triggering events
The inaugural event at MX 691 was a motocross rally in the old gravel quarry on July 11 and 12.
Guests camped overnight, hot dogs and hamburgers were served, port-a-potties were hauled in, banners were flown, and for much of the two days the sound of dirt bikes and quads carried over the neighborhood. One neighbor likened the spectacle to an event broadcast over ESPN.
Another similar event (a “Trail and Track Ride”) was held the weekend of September 12 and 13. A third event, billed as the “5th Annual Meeting of the Rhode Island Off Highway Vehicle Association (RIOHVA) and Ride,” was scheduled for Sunday, November 15, but was canceled “due to land use issues beyond our control,” as the RIOHVA website announcement put it.
Petitions from both sides
The motocross activity generated a neighborhood petition, which in turn has inspired a counter-petition from the bikers. The neighbors circulated their petition in early October (it was the one presented it to the council last Monday night). It was signed by 28 nearby residents, who don’t like the noise and claim that residential zoning ordinances are being violated.
One of those who (with her husband) signed and helped circulate that petition is Cynthia Sturgis. She lives across Brayton Road from Mr. Johnson’s motocross operation, and is a former planning board member. She and her husband have lived in the neighborhood since 1995.
“This is not appropriate,” Ms. Sturgis said. The quarrying use was grandfathered in when the R-80 residential zone was created by the zoning ordinance, she said. Mr. Johnson “can’t run a race track here.”
Ms. Sturgis can hear the motocross activities from her home, and said that as recently as Sunday numerous off-road vehicles passed up and down the road in front of her house. Last weekend, she said, she was at the town farm with her children and could hear the noise from there as well.
The counter-petition“in support of the MX 691 — the future Motocross Park,” has been signed by an estimated 300 people, most of them dirt bike and quad riders, or their family members. Mr. Johnson drafted it. Last Sunday alone, he estimated 180 signatures were gathered from those who came through the gate to ride.
Two of those who signed Mr. Johnson’s petition last Saturday were Brian and Wendy Wilkie, who Mr. Johnson said are abutters. While signing, and clearly referring to opponents of the park, Mr. Wilkie said to Mr. Johnson, “we used to have one neighbor, now we have 20.”
Mr. Johnson’s petition sits on a table at the entrance gate where admission “donations” are collected. He said 30 to 40 bikers visit daily, with more on weekends.
Track types, charges, risks
Mr. Johnson, with his partner Gary Duval, a track builder, is installing three tracks. One is a kid’s track that Mr. Johnson said is for children 16 and younger. It features a small “whoop section, safe table tops, high banked berms, straights, and single jumps.”
A second“MX track” for all levels of expertise, will be a large scale open course featuring multiple jumps , uphill climbs, and a “gravity cavity.”
The third track is a five-mile “Enduro Loop” through the woods that will include “rock gardens, hero sections, open trail, up-hills, tight woods, and water crossings.”
Those entering the MX 691 motocross park are asked to sign a release of liability, and “become a member for a day,” said Mr. Johnson. There are risks. “There have been some injuries, absolutely,” Mr. Johnson said, one serious — a couple of bone breaks and broken shoulders, some broken ribs, a ruptured spleen.
Tiverton Fire Chief Robert Lloyd said, “we’ve already had numerous incidents there. Somebody’s eventually going to get killed there. And when somebody gets injured out there, they’re going to look to us.”
Awesome! That enduro track sounds like fun...
Odd, that sounds of heavy equipment, jack hammers, and dynamite didn't bother all of the newly found neighbors, but 'bwaaaahh, bwaaaah' from dirt bikes does.
Could be some folks desperate to become ex-Rhode Islanders, but have no chance of selling with a quarry/dirt bike park there.
Moral of the story? Don't buy property that abuts quarrys landfills, fire stations, or nuclear weapon proving grounds, then complain.
My favorite part of the story is the comically ironic name of a protestor---Ms. Sturgis. LOL.
Maybe they could have a midnight fireworks display for Veteran's Day, tonight! Hand Salute to all of our veterans today! (Except for the terrorist Muslim posers and the P.C. idiots that allowed the Ft. Hood incident to occur.)
I used to ride on Amy Hart Path in LC, they tried to shut us down there, now there trying to shut MX691 down. I have one thing to say; Let Us Ride!
I am a "neighbor" to this track, last weekend I was presented with their "petition" to sign against the track. Let me just say that the street I live on has approximately 70 homes.......we're up the street a bit from the site.......although we can hear those bikes everyday/weekend I chose not to sign against the track as most of my neighbors did. 28 signatures in this area is a laugh! There are at least 200 homes within "hearing" distance of this track. Most of us say leave them alone and enjoy a sport riding in a place designated for that! To the Tiverton fire chief.......sorry to hear your asinine comments but you are getting paid to make those calls! If they choose to ride and know the risks, which they do because my boys ride there as well and they get hurt then you're only doing the job you're being paid by us taxpayers to do! Maybe you should focus on keeping your firemen/paramedics sober enough to preform their jobs and not worry about people having some recreational fun of which they are well aware of the risks.
I want too start off by letting you know "justmyopinion2" that this is my first time ever writing a comment on this website. Honestly I think people that repeatedly comment on here and constantly degrade people whom they do not even know, are worthless low life individuals who have nothing better to do than talk out of there rear end. But the last sentence of your comment above really pi*sed me off. You are so low and unknowledgeable that it makes me laugh. I would like to see you gear up and run in too a burning building. Or ride in the back of an ambulance doing CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation, just so you know) all the way to the hospital. I guarantee, you would never even think about this. But when you woke up this morning and read this article, in which has absolutely nothing to do with firefighters, you decided to make a rear end comment. I just want you too think if your son crashes and hurts himself who is there too help? The Firefighters are. So leave your comments too your self, and never degrade a Fire Department, or Firefighter again.
Dear opinion, you say you did not sign the petition like you were just above doing so but then reveal that your sons ride there so of course you did notbsign it. Your final assinine commentbseems to directed towards the death of Jerry Leduc. Jerry was a good man who died trying to help someone. Yes he had been drinking but he wad off duty so what did the Cheif have to do with it. Jerry made a mistake but that should not belittle the fact that he was trying to do the right thing. Don't get all nasty because some people don't want you riding your noisemakers around. Let the zoning board decide and leave Jerry Leduc out of it.
While you're both entitled to your opinions so am I. It's well known that Jerry had a drinking problem..........instead of everyone "covering up" for that problem perhaps his superiors should have gotten him help.....and anyone else in the department that might be in the same situation.
And pissedoff1, in fact it did have to do with firefighters........or emergency services when the chief decided to complain about responding to calls there like it's not their job! That is what we pay for!
Rastabri, even if my sons didn't ride there I wouldn't have signed it........that is the problem with Tiverton residents they bit*h and complain when these kids ride all over the neighborhood and still complain when they find a place to do it that's not all over the roads! Can't have it both ways!
OPINION I see your point, but I see no need to air all this dirty laundry in public. Drinking problem or not he died trying to help someone in need.
On the other topic if the park was to be for children only that would be great and it seems that a tidy profit may be made from this "park." How about a BMX park so the kids can get some aerobic exercise. while not disturbing the neighboors seven days a week or fill it in and make a fishing park.
Rastabri, and it should never happen to another fireman again, rather than cover up the "dirty laundry" perhaps awareness on the part of the chief is in order.
Are you aware that the property is up for foreclosure? So there is no "profit" to be made, he's trying to save his property. If it goes to the bank and in fact there have been several auctions held already in which no one has bid on the property then Tiverton stands to lose more tax dollars.
Let me ask you this Rastabri do you live in the area of this park?
I respect your opinion on both of the issue and hope can avoid foreclusure with a business that fits the zoning regs. No I don't livebin the area of thevteack but i do live in Tiverton.
It was a commercial business with trucks in and out all day long......I do not see how it's any different now. Well then just to inform you this place is not noisy seven days a week as you put it. I hear them on the weekends mostly......however it was no different without the park because kids illegally rode the pipe lines all the time........not to mention riding through wetlands.........so now they found a place to do it as safely as possible and people squawk. I would rather if my kid does get injured be in a accessible place where help can arrive in a timely fashion rather than deep in the woods where it takes a long time to reach them. Because if you do not think kids are riding all through this town in every single patch of woods they can find then you're naive.
Like I said before I can see your point and agree that the kids need a safe place to ride. I can hear them riding around the industrial park
from my house. I can also see the point of view of those who live around it. I guess the zoning board will have the final
say.
Well I dont live there I know kids ride the ATV's around my neighborhood here in bristol on the streets at times. I consider this very dangerous. I think that if they did allow this man to make it a business there and a campground that would benift the town of tiverton. Seems to me there is not much else this land can be used for without putting enomous money in to the land itself.
As for the noise perhaps they could require that all ATV's used on the grounds be reqired to have a exhaust system that brings the noise level down. In this day and age must be a way to do that. Perhaps there is an attachment that the owner could rent or sell to do this. Dont know if thats availible but it would be something to look into.
As for the injury problem that is a whole different animal if it became a business there would have to be a large insurance policy by the owner or proof of insurance by the riders before being allowed to ride there im sure there are other places around that could be looked into for this.
The Firefighter comment was uncalled for blaming the whole department for the wrongs of a few should never be done. Personally "justmyopinion2" no-one is perfect and I underastand Firefighters are held to a higher standard and should be, but that is no justifacation to denigrate an entire department for the actions of 1 or a few.
If you said it in the heat of the moment fine as I said no-one is perfect but in my opinion you should apoligize for that comment I sure as a parent you would not allow your children to make such statements against a group of people just because one person in the group did something wrong.
Jack
Justmyopinion; Friendly bit of advice, friend. This self-admitted dope smoker/unionized grade schoolteacher calling itself, 'Rastabri', likes to start pointless, baseless arguments with folks all over this board.
A bored stoner with an internet connection is all.
Jack I was not speaking or commenting to the entire department. My comment was solely directed at the comment made by the chief who himself made it sound like responding to calls is not their job. I was suggesting what HE should focus on rather than making a comment that makes it sound like the department should sit around all day and do nothing. Responding to calls IS their job!
SO the only thing I will apologize for is if people misunderstood that I was speaking about the entire department. I was not.
watchman, I pretty much had that all figured out myself and I love when people actually put their two cents in and really know not what they speak about. Like for instance the whole making a profit comment. The problem with Tiverton residents is they're quick to complain that the town doesn't have enough revenue yet are even quicker to throw people out who are contributing to the tax roll. If this property gets lost to the bank they might as well kiss a huge amount of tax dollars goodbye. Who's going to have to make up for that loss? The taxpayers! Then they'll complain their taxes are high. No one will buy this pretty much useless piece of property.
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Well I agree that the chief chose his words badly and his staement makes no sense to me either it is his job and what he is paid for to have people look to them for help.
My problem was the statement "Maybe you should focus on keeping your firemen/paramedics sober enough to preform their jobs." That is what I and i'm sure others took offence at and thought was not needed since it insinuates his department is not sober. Thats all I dont think it anything to make a big deal out of just wanted to point it out. No hard feelings here.
On another note I still think looking at it from a business perspective as I said above would help tiverton more than leaving it a big hole in the ground, least ways in my opinion anyway.
Jack
Watchman Dan Gordon Gordon Daniels , I was having a respectful back and forth with Opinion before you opened your never ending mouth and jumped in with your moron guns blazing. Since you want to call me a dope smoker or admitted dope smoker show me where I admitted to that. Talk about starting arguements Dan that is your forte, that and pretending to be a soldier. Watchdan is just the right wing version of union teacher.
Opinion are you telling me that this man is going to be paying taxes on the donations that the riders give him or that this park is going to raise enough money to keep him out of foreclosure. I hope he is able to do that and work out an agreement with the neighbors and proerty owners.
Rastabri, he needs to raise a substantial amount of money to get his property back. It IS in foreclosure. The bank has attempted several auctions. My point is if he loses this property to the bank who is going to pay the property taxes? Surely the value will plunge on an empty good for nothing hole in the ground. He is attempting to get himself out of foreclosure......and a majority of the neighbors are not complaining it's those select few like every town has.
I cannot comprehend how the neighbors had no grievance with big trucks going in and out all day.......loads of stone, gravel and such being dumped in and out of trucks by the hundreds a day. Know how much noise those tailgates make when they bang after dropping a load? Or how loud the excavator is when he dumps rocks in the back of those trucks? No one complained then and now they all have a gripe. When their taxes go up because they want him out hopefully they'll keep their mouths shut and not complain but I doubt it.
With all the problems that have been in the paper over the last year of things going on in tiverton it strikes me as odd that a former planning board member is still weilding so much power at least that what it looks like to me. Why this state constantly screws businesses instead of helping them is just plain stupid.
You would think this man would be helped by the politions in the town and the state, where are the low interest loans, the business subsidies, the Tax breaks, Is this not someone who needs help with forclosure,is this not a shovel ready project, is this not a small business that will be actually hiring people to work, is this not what the stimulus money is suppose to be helping.
Oh wait a minute I'm sorry I forgot were in R.I. where we don't use money for the right things ever. I will bet the next thing you see or if he loses his property is to turn it into open space and off the tax roles.
Jack
Ray Johnson Has scraped a living out of this quarry and employed several guys for years.The economy has hit all of us hard,businesses need to be innovative to survive.I wish him luck, but I don't see him prevailing with the zoning board.He is a preexisting nonconforming use, and can not expand or change use under the current zoning ordinance.I don't believe the zoning board can issue a special use permit even if he could show a hard ship. I might suggest cranberries and cat fish ponds,like i've seen in Carver Mass.Short of a change to the zoning ordinance,I don't see the dirt bike track happening.
Is the one on Fish Road zoned commercial? I'd like to know if it is or not because no one can see it from the road and they're really are no neighbors........if it's not perhaps what's good for the goose should come into play here.
I believe that area on fish is still light industrial, from there to the little store has been changed to high way commerical .The rest of fish road is residential. Sousa road was changed to residential to block development.90 percent of all the main roads in Tiverton were changed from commercial to residential years ago.That is why so many businesses fail, they can't change with the times.
The quarry that is down fish road allmost to the end is in a residential area.There the ones who had all the water problems last year.Viking stone.Keep in mind that the weight restriction on the bridge limits there area for sales so the quarries in Tiv. are hurting.
No Joe, I'm talking about the man who runs a small race track for those little midget race cars that the kids participate in. This place is almost across the street from where that new development went in last year. He has a very long driveway and it goes way back into the woods......I'm just curious as to why he's been able to have a race track there for years.
I know the owner of Viking stone, and let's not open that can of worms with the whole water issue. Tiverton did a great job of sweeping their contribution to that problem under the rug and placed the blame on Greg and his business........too bad there were some old timers who recalled the Town placing the drainage pipe under Fish road and sending it right toward the houses that was placed years ago..........it doesn't worked plugged up.......and although he was hurting for a while he's doing ok now with the development of Sandywood Farms.....he's working in there and hauling over to his place on occasion so no bridge worries there.
HERE IS AN IDEA... WHY DOESN'T THE TOWN OF TIVERTON BUY THE LAND (HELPS THE GUY OUT) AND THEN USE THE LAND FOR A BRUSH/LEAVE COMPOSTING OPERATION INSTEAD OF DUMPING ALL THE LEAVES IN THE SHRINKING SPACE AT THE LANDFILL (HELPING THE PEOPLE)???? THE CRY ALOT ABOUT RECYCLING AND SAVING THE LANDFILL BUT I CAN PUT FIFTY BAGS OF LEAVES OUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE FALL AND EVERY BAG ENDS UP IN THE LANDFILL!!!! DOES THAT MAKE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SENSE? URGE YOUR TOWN "LEADERSHIP" TO SMARTEN UP!
Ok RIpolitics, spends hundreds of thousands of dollars for the purchase of the land to put leaves that compost in 3 months to a year? Makes a lot of sense to me! The problem at the landfill is not leaves it's all the other crap that doesn't compost in the landfill. Yes the leadership needs to smarten up but that idea isn't a step in the right direction. Of course that is just my opinion.
JMO2 I think you mean Island constructon and yes I believe they are in the same zone, residential.That track has been there for years and I don't think the neighbors complain.I watched go carts race there a few times.I don't think they charge admission, it,s all friends and family
Good to hear Viking stone is working,They seem like good people, from what I know of them.I haven't been there for a while, I work mostly in Newport now.
Still think this is all a travesty of justice against a small businessman for no reason other than they can do it. Leave this man alone let him have his business any hopefully save his land and keep it on the tax rolls. It is an easy to regulate this business and you will obviously keep some people working. I just cant see the logic in all of this.
Jack
Joe, he does charge an entry fee to the race........so it's really no different and just because he has no neighbors to complain doesn't make it right either. If you're going to cut one mans business then it should be fair and balanced.
Jack, I agree wholeheartedly with you. This man is grasping at straws trying to save his property of which he has owned for a good number of years. If these "neighbors" who are complaining get their way and they lose this revenue on the tax rolls they're going to be the first to complain that the taxes are always going up. I have been a life long property owner in the town of Tiverton and it's always the same old story with the "newer" people who come to this town.......they don't like change.....people need to survive, kids need something to do to deter them from criminal activity and it's always the same "not in my backyard" mentality. At some point it's got to change and people need to realize that REPLACING and existing business isn't going to hurt Tiverton it's going to help us.
Yep next complaint if he gets approved will be oh no he serving fast food he will make our kids fat,there will be paper an styrafoam garbage, he will attract the wrong crowds, it will lower the value of out property,it is violating the beautiful scenery of the rocks and gravel,
The dust kicked up is polluting the air,It will turn children into wanting motercycles and become hells angels and get involved in drugs, then worst of all they will cause climate change and destroy the world, Then what we have to pay to go to another planet and start the cycle over again, we better put a stop to this now or civilization as we know it will die. Do we really want to allow cockroaches to beat us in taking over the earth. Wake up people the end is near if Tiverton doesn't stop this man from forming this business he may just be the Anti-Chist in disguise as a small well meaning business man trying to make it.
Jack
Shame to say none of my last post is a joke probably now thats scarey.
Jack
Gee RASTABri
Why would any link you to pot smoking?
from Wikipedia
Rastafarian Movement
The movement encompasses themes such as the spiritual use of cannabis, colloquially known as marijuana[3][4], and the rejection of western society (called Babylon, in reference more to the metaphoric Babylon of Christianity than to the historical Mesopotamian city-state).
QUACK QWACK
Thanks for the history lesson BIG DADDY
Here is what i was able to find about your screen name on the always reliable WIKIPEDIA
Shirley Crabtree, Jr, better known as Big Daddy (14 November 1930 – 2 December 1997) was an English professional wrestler famous for his record-breaking 64 inch chest. Known for wearing his various Big Daddy leotards, Crabtree's original one was emblazoned with just a large "D" and was fashioned by his wife Eunice from their chintz sofa.
Shirley Crabtree's nephew Eorl Crabtree plays prop for Huddersfield Giants in Super League rugby.
Big Daddy was a Micromaster Autobot who turned into a hot rod. [1]
Big Daddy earned his position as leader of the Hot Rod Patrol by being its least out-of-control member. He's the only member of the squad who can pull the others into a cohesive unit. Despite this, he's still rebellious by any conservative Autobot standards. When not on duty, the mischievous Hot Rod Patrol is often mistaken for a band of Decepticon punks, recklessly tearing up the highways for fun. This all changes when Big Daddy has to take command for a mission; he's the first to respond to emergency situations when innocents are in danger, and he's totally dedicated to defeating the Decepticons for the sake of the Autobot cause. But when the fighting's done, he just wants to let off some steam.
Big Daddy has a 16-cylinder energon-powered engine with an external intake valve that allows it to convert passing airborne particles into extra power. Big Daddy's top speed is directly proportional to the amount of particles collected; thus, the upper limits of his speed are unknown.
Big Daddy exhibits no known physical weaknesses.
[edit] Animated series
Big Daddy is a horror film directed, produced and written by Carl K. Hittleman. It was filmed in 1965 under the title Paradise Road, but not released until .
How foolish to judge someone by a screen name.
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Pretty funny and informative also There waws also a Movie Called Big Daddy starring adam sandler that bombed big time LOL
I agree with the judging of screen names Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and screen names are in the thoughts of those that created it. unless of course your Psychic. LOL
Jack
yeah, good one PotheadBri...
No problem big daddy. I also found that your name was the boyfriend of one of the old ladies on Golden Girls. I guess you were a big fan of that show and one of most popular pimp names on many 1970s cop
shows including Quincy. Don't worry about that, I won't judge you for your Golden Girls, pro wrasling, pimp nickname.
That's wise cause huggy bear from Starsky & Hutch might get upset and make you his new girl friend with a strong pimp hand.
enjoy the old lady show you sickie
I learned it all on Wikipedia and did you know that Huggy lived in Newport for many years.
justmyopinion2 - instead of playing on the computer and offering your opinion (which no one apparently cares about) why don't you think with a little common sense and maybe even do some research ... leaves DO NOT compost under the cover of a landfill because material needs air to break down! Hence the study done on landfills by a researcher recently that uncovered a fifty year old newspaper in perfectly readable (if that is even a word) condition! But do me a favor anyway, if you live in Tiverton please do not @&*%&# when you pay more for trash disposal services!
With all due respect and in the spirit of good discussion!
RIpolitics-and you're not playing on the computer and offering your opinion? I really do not care who cares about it, simply put it's my RIGHT to post it.
Imagine if every single leaf that falls every single year didn't somehow "compost" on it's own.........that "study" doesn't make much sense to me.
Oh and just because I am a concerned citizen about our landfill I happily pay 50 bucks a month to allied waste for a container in my yard along with recycling bins to be picked up. I do not use the towns service. Thank you very much!
The only coarse of action I see that will change the out come for the quarry is if some one gets on the agenda for the town council.There request would be to change the ordinance for this business.This council has changed zoning on properties before to promote business in the town,and also to stop businesses from building. They would have to request a public hearing for the zoning change.It could be done if some one had the will and support of the council,along with public support. I have not seen the public will to change zoning back to allow businesses to grow in Tiverton.People seem to love Tiverton as a bed room community.
You know what the problem with that mentality is Joe? If Tiverton continues to force business out the bedrooms are going to become so expensive that people will be forced out of this town.
I find it very disturbing that the everyday folk who have been life long residents of this town have had to sell their homes and relocate to a cheaper alternative because in their retirement years they were unable to afford their home. These are the very people who have loved and labored in this town their entire lives and it's no longer even an option for them to stay. These chronic complainers just might find themselves in the same position someday.
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When leaves go into the landfill, they often end up buried in lack of oxygen Conditions where they sit for years and years it is same reason that in the ocean if the water is deep enough like the titanic with no oxygen or salt that deep it did not rust. The wooden ships buried underwater in silt or deep in sand in the bay and ocean etc. the wood is not rotted though it may have been eaten by organisisms. Oxygen is a corrosive and needed for anything to breakdown.
I also am playing with my computer and remembered this stuff since in bristol we decided to make a compost station years ago to add longer life to our landfill, and though we have closed the landfill the compost facility is still going strong.
As for RIpolitics idea yea right let the town force a citizen out of his property and take away his livelyhood. Then make the land tax free property of the town. And if they build a compost facility wait till the taxpayers find out how much that cost. " this sounds pretty opposite of many of your post I have seen?" on another note all this because some people want to put a small business out of business. Typical R.I corruption and politics as usual the few control the many what a state huh.
(DISCLAIMER)
These facts given on decay and composting are of the top of my head any incorrect spelling,mistake,or factual error are by me as sometimes playing on my computer I get carried away kinda like leaves. LOL
Jack
I think changing the zoning to allow businesses to open on the main roads in town would help with the lack of a tax base.Preexsisting nonconforming businesses are doomed to fail,changing the zoning back to commercial would help them survive and employ citizens of the town.Do people wan't it?
Jack, thanks for the factual information. I am not doubting that leaves do not compost properly in the landfill. My sarcasm was making a point that for the 40 years I've been alive the leaves have composted on their own in many a yard in Tiverton........perhaps people should leave (no pun intended) well enough alone sometimes.
I agree this mans land shouldn't be taken from him for a compost station........Tiverton has enough land of it's own already to do that if they want.
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You hit it right on the head with the last post. this whole state has been doing that for decades now and towns continue to do it. If you look at Newport with 49% taxexempt properties and the loss of fishing industry and any other industries that made actual products.
You see why this whole state in every town is suffering and why this state is rated so high as being the worst place to open any business. People can not afford to live in the towns they lived all their life when you make it a tourism controled economy that in this case is a short season and not enough to sustain the workers. The low pay and high taxes and cost of living forces people to go live else where.
The straw that broke this states back has allready happened and our polititicians dont care from towns to the state. That is why this businessman is going to have a hard time and it is not right but I fear he will lose.
Jack
Hello jack how was your day .I have been busy getting snow equiptment ready.It's coming SNOW!!
response to justmyopinion2
Well you young pup (40 years alive) Perhaps I should have just said didnt you ever press leaves in a book or plastic sleeve and save them as a kid, if you did they would still be there now LOL
Jack
There cant be any snow dont you listen to the great one inventer of the internet,manned space flight, telephones,nuclear fission, the air we breath,inventer of salt water oceans when he tripped with a salt shaker as a kid. the one and only AL GORE. there no such thing as snow anymore its receding flakes of water drying before they hit the ground. LOL
Jack
Allways have a good day lol
LOL Jack, I have done that.......but I can almost guarantee the mate to that leaf that was left on the ground in my yard is long gone.
see it never hurts to be nice and have a sense of humor it is the way of life to keep healthy, least ways till you get mad and angry and want to take a politition by the throat and well i digress LOL
Jack
I think i'll keep the snow chains handy.Just incase i'll get some sun tan oil.
Oh jethro I have 3 huskies and their fur is the thickest I have ever seen it in years dont know if that means lot of snow but I think we way over due for it so i'll go with my dog theory and say get out the plows.
Jack
Jethro are you aware that acording to poster "concernedcitizen" I have multiple personalities and your one of them. just though I give you heads up on that. And did you say a while back you do carpentry work in newport? Because if you do it is doubtful you dont know one of my brothers there. Just a thought
Jack
I did site work for Cawley constructons from 92 to 2006 I work for a roof company now.I do a lot of copper work and some carpentry.I all.so do rubber roof work.Alot of demo work love to take them down.I'm sure you have heard of NP.Roof.
If its newport roofing years ago i use to get slate from them for repairs to navy hospital roof back in 1979. Cawley name I know just cant place him right now off hand.
Concerned citizen my real name is PAUL DOUGHTY me and union are the same people.we suffer from multiple personality syndrom complex no#4659 Rastabri is another of my personalities when im on my medication I live at Buttler and break in to the office to use the computer. "Calling DR Howard DR Howard Woobababa"
Joe Cawley in about 68 years old I left there when he retired.He was a good man to work for.He lives on Channing place with his wife,great people to work for,I miss it.
LOL Thats about what I thought when he was posting that stuff it was laughable. Havn't seen (eewwt) on here since monday I think he may have gotten in a little hot water LOL
Of his own boiling by the wayLOL
Jack
Pretty sure I know cawley have to get you over here for a beer like i did with jaqudadi so you 2 can meet. without hatchets of course lol.
Jack
Newport roof is a fun place to work I think I found a home there .Good pay with benifits, lots of work on old homes is what I like so I am happy with it.There are probaly 1 million slates in the basement on vernon ave.If you need some I think we can find your color.
Nope want nothing to do with roofing anymore I did all kinds including tar and gravel. When i did slate I was called an edge walker and sometimes dead man walking because I was young and had no ropes LOL.
Jack
If you leave an address I would love to meet you all. scarrycat@yahoo.com
ahh no cats allowed in this house my dogs eat them LOL
Jack
Those days are over, OSHA, every one wears a harness ,we tie off before we work, no exceptions.
Thats my girl friends cats name,and it fits. She is scared of every thing hides under the couch every time she hears a noise .
I have a great osha story for you about a roofer having the worst luck you ever heard with them. Well they are a good organization they really go overboard many times and not enough on other things.I will send informnation on me later tonight.
Jack
well bet we get hell for all this posting no on point of the article at hand so with that I will say again give this man his life and business its good for him good for taxpayers good for employees whats the problem.
Jack
Good night, I will sleep well, hope you do the same.Good night pauly rastaman jack and Jmo2 and who ever else we are.
Old Farmer's Almanac says it's a gonna be snowy and cold this winter.
good morning WM I love snow ,Snow = work a little self interest.
The sleds are tuned (and insured) and the skiis are sharpened...bring it on!!! I love the winter and the more snow the better!!!
Mornin', Jethro. Yep, the snow is good for some things.
BigDaddy, maybe they can turn MX 691 into a winter sled park!
Headlines we would like to see.
Mr. Johnson wins right to own and run his own business in America Makes millions and saves Tiverton Tax base, And give free ear plugs to neighbor who are now happy problem solved.
Finally Global warming is proved a falcicy Gores awards recided,
$100 million dollars scam money Gore earned on scam ordered returned to people by Federal Judge,
Gore Home declared nation disaster for excessive power use drain on surrounding area,
Jethro Makes Millions on Snow removel saves R.I. Economy,
Watchman Rewrites farmers Almanac is winner of Nobel peace prize for 100%acurate prediction of Snow,
Weathermen resign at all TV outlets in New England,
Bigdaddy Creates Reginal Sled and Ski Rental Conglumurate Makes Millions Selling films of Gore Being chased by Shapened Skiers,
Jackkb Retires again Full of himself and goes into coma except for evil laughter that continually escapes his mouth.
Jack
(DISCLAIMER THE ABOVE POST IS A TONGUE IN CHEEK POST AND IN NO WAY MEANT TO OFFEND ANY ONE)
I'm offended...Shaped skis are for sissies...
(sorry to any sissy I may have offended)
What a bunch of fools hijacking this specific thread. Get a life! Anyway, this could be a goldmine of an idea for Tiverton. Wake up everyone who wants to bring more $$ to this town! There are NO legal dirtbike riding areas in Rhode Island AT ALL! Ray Johnson could turn this into a huge benefit for the town. He has already proven...build a dirtbike park and people will flock to it. Town Council should get on board with this great entreprenurial idea and let Ray make a go of it! And get the kart track on the tax roll also. Let's go Town Council....you need some type of revenue...here it is!
{Begine dream sequence}----Jethro moves to a Caribbean Island where there is no snow and no rusty trucks to repair. Except for his own which he drives to the edge of the water to fish and collect clams and crab.He sips a cool drink and looks across the lagoon at the small fishing boat,thinking oh this is the life----{End dream sequence} oh crap back in RI.
Thats great Rider but he is in a place where the town does not allow it, so what are you doing to change that.Have you called any of the council people.
To jack question do you know Walter Costa Walt?
Yep He can tell you how much of a nut I really am LOL
Yep He can tell you how much of a nut I really am LOL
oops Bigdaddy (shaped mispelled) Correction=sharpened skies LOL
Him and April are Viking Riders great people.
as I'm reading this story the only thing I thought of is why are they going after this guy for taking donations at his dirtbike track when the guys off Fish Road have had a gokart track there for years and yes I know for a fact that they charge people to race there. Our kids finally have a place to ride their dirt bikes and of course people have to complain. And one night when I needed the fire department to come and shut off a loud annoying fire alarm that malfunctioned at a 55 and over retirement communities club house right next to my house(happened quite a few times in the past due to heavy rains, where the fire department had to come and shut it off) they never came, I first called the police at 9 was told they would respond, an hour later I called the police again they did nothing, finally after listening to the loud fire alarm from 9pm-11pm , mind you it was summer and the windows were open, I called the fire department, I figured if the police weren't going to do anything about it I'll call the fire department myself, they always came in the past to shut it off. I was told that someone would respond, needless to say nobody responded until Messanger came in the morning to disarm it. I had to listen to that piercing alarm all night long, they are very lucky that it was not a real fire. I even told them that it was a flashing strobe light and the firefighter did say "yes that is the fire alarm". I was so pissed I called the fire chief and left a message on his voicemail @ midnight, He did contact me to apologize and to let me know that there was a malfunction with the alarm and that it would not happen again. We pay enough taxes in Tiverton our kids need something to do to keep them off the streets and out of trouble.
oh yeah I forgot to say anyone that needs a roof any kind of roof J&S Roofing will be glad to assist you.
We should open a park like this in the industrial park,we can't seem to give that land away.It's got the right zoning and no close neighbors.
Some scum deleted my post in response to Jethro.....it was something like this:
I agree with you Jethro, except that unless the town gave the quarry owner the land (I don't recall his name), then he would still be getting the short end of the stick.
What a crappy system that either self-edits, or has morons that edit conflicting view points.
Pickering, are you drinking while editing?You went to Barrington High didn't you?
Riding through the snow in 30 horsepower AVT
Over the tracks we go
Laughing all the way
Exhaust pipe on ATV making noise
Making neighbors mad
Oh what fun it to ride an sing
An ATV riding song tonight
Oh ATV ATV Exhaust noise today
Oh what fun it is to ride
ATV’s all the live long day
Jack
Sung to the tune of jingle bells not to be confused with and copy writed songs just a parody LOL
Jack
Sorry I missed your X rated post watch man, sensor ship is the price we pay for this site.Whats up, you living here again, our did you go rebel.I've been watching your posts to see if you throw in a youall or start puting r's in your words.Best wishes either way.
